DROYLSDEN
1939-40 Joined Cheshire County League for the hastily arranged season
split between East and West, and 1939 & 1940 Series
Cheshire County League East Section 1939 Series Champions
Cheshire County League East Section 1940 Series runner-up
Won Eastern Section play-off against 1940 series winner Hyde United
7-5 on aggregate (Droyslden 6 Hyde 5, Hyde 0 Droylsden 1)
Lost Championship play-off against Western Section winners Runcorn
5-3 on aggregate (Runcorn 4 Droylsden 1, Droylsden 2 Runcorn 1)
1945-46 Joined Cheshire County League properly
Cheshire County League runner-up
1950 Left Cheshire County League
1951 Absorbed Droylsden United, taking their place in
Lancashire Combination Division Two
1955-56 Lancashire Combination Division Two runner-up
Promoted to Division One
1959 Relegated to Division Two
1959-60 Lancashire Combination Division Two runner-up
Promoted to Division One
1961 Relegated to Division Two
1962-63 Lancashire Combination Division Two runner-up
Promoted to Division One
1968-69 Rejoined Cheshire County League
1982-83 Founder members of North West Counties League
Two points deducted
1986-87 North West Counties League Division Two Champions
1987-88 Joined Northern Premier League in it's new Division One
1989-90 Seven points deducted, depriving them of Northern Premier League
Division One Championship, had to settle for runner-up spot
Promoted to Premier Division
1995-96 Relegated to Division One (by goal difference)
1998-99 Northern Premier League Division One Champions (on goals scored,
thanks to Hucknall Town having three points deducted)
Promoted to Premier Division
2003-04 Northern Premier League runner-up
2004-05 Joined Conference in newly-formed Northern Division
Not promoted after play-offs (SF Droylsden 1 Kettering Town 2)
2005-06 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Nuneaton Borough 0 Droylsden 1,
F Stafford Rangers 1 Droylsden 1 @ Burton Albion, Stafford Rangers
won 5-3 on penalties)
2006-07 Conference North Champions
Promoted to National Division
2008 Relegated to Conference North
2009-10 Not promoted after play-offs (SF Droylsden 2 Fleetwood Town 0,
Fleetwood Town 3 Droylsden 1 - Agg 3-3, Fleetwood Town won 4-3 on
penalties)
2013-14 Rejoined Northern Premier League
2014 Relegated to Division One North
2020 Left Northern Premier League
2023-24 Rejoined North West Counties League
Not promoted after play-offs (SF Stockport Town 1 Droylsden 0)
2024-25 Switched to Division One North
Not promoted after play-offs (SF Droylsden 1 Holker Old Boys 1,
Droylsden won 3-1 on penalties, F Droylsden 0 Euxton Villa 2)
SEASON LEAGUE P W D L F A P POS
1936-37 LAN C 40 13 3 24 88 118 29 17/21
1937-38 LAN C 42 13 13 16 91 98 39 14/22
1938-39 LAN C 42 7 4 31 79 157 18 22/22
1939-40 CHES-39E 14 9 2 3 52 31 20 1/8
CHES-40E 12 7 1 4 35 25 15 2/7
1945-46 CHES 38 24 3 11 126 65 51 2/20
1946-47 CHES 42 22 1 19 108 101 45 8/22
1947-48 CHES 42 13 11 18 80 82 37 17/22
1948-49 CHES 42 7 6 29 59 124 20 22/22
1949-50 CHES 42 9 9 24 69 114 27 21/22
1951-52 LAN C-2 42 28 7 7 172 78 63 3/22
1952-53 LAN C-2 42 28 6 8 145 66 62 3/22
1953-54 LAN C-2 42 26 7 9 116 50 59 5/22
1954-55 LAN C-2 38 29 3 6 128 54 61 3/20
1955-56 LAN C-2 34 23 4 7 111 71 50 2/18
1956-57 LAN C-1 38 4 6 28 59 153 14 20/20
1957-58 LAN C-1 42 13 7 22 75 99 33 19/22
1958-59 LAN C-1 42 6 5 31 43 106 17 22/22
1959-60 LAN C-2 34 25 3 6 106 55 53 2/18
1960-61 LAN C-1 42 10 5 27 73 132 25 21/22
1961-62 LAN C-2 36 25 3 8 126 46 53 3/19
1962-63 LAN C-2 38 27 6 5 124 31 60 2/20
1963-64 LAN C-1 42 21 7 14 80 58 49 7/22
1964-65 LAN C-1 42 23 6 13 81 67 52 6/22
1965-66 LAN C-1 42 15 12 15 80 78 42 12/22
1966-67 LAN C-1 42 14 9 19 59 68 37 13/22
1967-68 LAN C-1 42 13 10 19 52 84 36 15/22
1968-69 CHES 38 14 7 17 64 89 35 13/20
1969-70 CHES 38 16 5 17 72 68 37 11/20
1970-71 CHES 42 9 16 17 59 72 34 19/22
1971-72 CHES 42 16 11 15 77 70 43 9/22
1972-73 CHES 42 11 11 20 62 75 33 17/22
1973-74 CHES 42 13 12 17 57 68 38 13/22
1974-75 CHES 42 14 8 20 53 78 36 17/22
1975-76 CHES 42 17 11 14 66 55 45 9/22
1976-77 CHES 42 13 8 21 60 78 34 16/22
1977-78 CHES 42 15 10 17 54 56 40 13/22
1978-79 CHES-1 42 18 9 15 62 61 44 10/22
1979-80 CHES-1 38 15 10 13 63 45 40 7/20
1980-81 CHES-1 38 9 8 21 49 82 26 18/20
1981-82 CHES-1 38 3 4 31 26 96 10 20/20
1982-83 NWC-2 38 11 5 22 49 71 25 * 17/20
1983-84 NWC-2 34 19 5 10 59 42 43 5/18
1984-85 NWC-2 34 15 10 9 51 47 40 5/18
1985-86 NWC-2 34 13 7 14 48 56 33 10/18
1986-87 NWC-2 34 20 8 6 79 42 48 1/18
1987-88 NPL-1 36 16 10 10 63 48 58 6/19
1988-89 NPL-1 42 25 9 8 84 48 84 4/22
1989-90 NPL-1 42 27 6 9 81 46 80 * 2/22
1990-91 NPL-P 40 12 11 17 67 70 47 13/21
1991-92 NPL-P 42 12 14 16 62 72 50 15/22
1992-93 NPL-P 42 10 7 25 47 84 37 20/22
1993-94 NPL-P 42 11 14 17 57 82 47 17/22
1994-95 NPL-P 42 10 8 24 56 93 38 20/22
1995-96 NPL-P 42 10 8 24 58 100 38 21/22
1996-97 NPL-1 42 15 14 13 69 67 59 10/22
1997-98 NPL-1 42 24 8 10 70 49 80 4/22
1998-99 NPL-1 42 26 8 8 97 55 86 1/22
1999-00 NPL-P 44 14 12 18 53 60 54 15/23
2000-01 NPL-P 44 13 6 25 50 80 45 21/23
2001-02 NPL-P 44 17 8 19 65 78 59 11/23
2002-03 NPL-P 44 18 10 16 62 52 64 9/23
2003-04 NPL-P 44 26 8 10 96 64 86 2/23
2004-05 CONF-N 42 24 7 11 82 52 79 3/22
2005-06 CONF-N 42 20 12 10 80 56 72 4/22
2006-07 CONF-N 42 23 9 10 85 55 75 1/22
2007-08 CONF-Nat 46 5 9 32 46 103 24 24/24
2008-09 CONF-N 42 18 14 10 64 44 68 7/22
2009-10 CONF-N 40 18 10 12 82 62 64 5/21
2010-11 CONF-N 40 17 9 14 69 67 60 8/21
2011-12 CONF-N 42 16 11 15 83 86 59 9/22
2012-13 CONF-N 42 5 7 30 43 124 22 21/22
2013-14 NPL-P 46 2 3 41 40 182 9 24/24
2014-15 NPL-1N 42 20 3 19 98 84 63 10/22
2015-16 NPL-1N 42 11 6 25 68 139 39 19/22
2016-17 NPL-1N 42 14 12 16 71 77 54 13/22
2017-18 NPL-1N 42 13 11 18 67 77 50 13/22
2018-19 NPL-1W 38 12 7 19 61 72 43 14/20
2019-20 NPL-1NW 30 7 6 17 28 75 27 ABAND
2023-24 NWC-1S 34 18 4 12 75 59 58 5/18
2024-25 NWC-1N 34 21 6 7 67 37 69 3/18
2025-26 NWC-1N
F.A. CUP
1947-48 EP WILMSLOW ALBION H 2-0
PRE YOULGRAVE A 6-6
PREr YOULGRAVE H 2-1
1Q ELLESMERE PORT TOWN A 2-2
1Qr ELLESMERE PORT TOWN H 3-1
2Q ALTRINCHAM A 1-4
1949-50 EP STORK A 5-2
PRE NANTWICH H 10-1
1Q WINSFORD UNITED A 3-2
2Q CONGLETON TOWN A 2-1
3Q MOSSLEY H 1-3
1950-51 PRE MACCLESFIELD{1} H 5-5
PREr MACCLESFIELD{1} A 2-7
1952-53 PRE LYTHAM A 0-2
1953-54 1Q LYTHAM H 2-4
1954-55 1Q MOSSLEY H 1-2
1955-56 1Q ROSSENDALE UNITED A 3-4
1958-59 PRE BACUP BOROUGH A 1-4
1959-60 PRE DARWEN{1} H 2-1
1Q ALTRINCHAM A 1-7
1961-62 1Q MACCLESFIELD{1} A 0-4
1962-63 1Q MACCLESFIELD{1} H 3-3
1Qr MACCLESFIELD{1} A 2-2 Abandoned in extra time
1Qr2 MACCLESFIELD{1} H 3-2
2Q MOSSLEY H 0-0
2Qr MOSSLEY A 2-1
3Q WINSFORD UNITED A 1-0
4Q MORECAMBE A 0-1
1963-64 1Q NORTHWICH VICTORIA A 1-2
1964-65 1Q SKELMERSDALE UNITED A 0-0
1Qr SKELMERSDALE UNITED H 1-2
1965-66 1Q MARINE H 3-3
1Qr MARINE A 0-1
1967-68 1Q BURSCOUGH H 1-1
1Qr BURSCOUGH A 2-5
1968-69 PRE SKELMERSDALE UNITED H 0-3
1969-70 1Q ST HELENS TOWN H 1-0
2Q WIGAN ATHLETIC A 1-4
1970-71 1Q BACUP BOROUGH A 3-1
2Q WITTON ALBION H 2-3
1971-72 1Q ELLESMERE PORT TOWN H 0-3
1972-73 1Q ASHTON UNITED H 1-2
1973-74 1Q PRESTWICH HEYS H 1-4
1974-75 1Q YORKSHIRE AMATEUR H 1-1
1Qr YORKSHIRE AMATEUR A 4-4
1Qr2 YORKSHIRE AMATEUR H 0-1
1975-76 1Q DARWEN{1} A 3-2
2Q HYDE UNITED H 3-2
3Q GREAT HARWOOD A 1-1
3Qr GREAT HARWOOD H 1-1
3Qr2 GREAT HARWOOD A 1-0
4Q GATESHEAD UNITED H 0-4
1976-77 1Q GLOSSOP H 3-2
2Q ALFRETON TOWN A 1-0
3Q WORKSOP TOWN H 1-0
4Q WINTERTON RANGERS A 3-3
4Qr WINTERTON RANGERS H 3-2
1 GRIMSBY TOWN H 0-0
1r GRIMSBY TOWN A 3-5
1977-78 1Q RUNCORN H 0-2
1978-79 1Q CONGLETON TOWN A 2-1
2Q PORTHMADOG H 3-1
3Q STALYBRIDGE CELTIC A 1-1
3Qr STALYBRIDGE CELTIC H 3-1
4Q GOOLE TOWN{1} H 2-0
1 ROCHDALE A 1-0
2 ALTRINCHAM H 0-2
1979-80 1Q CLITHEROE A 2-0
2Q PRESCOT TOWN A 2-2
2Qr PRESCOT TOWN H 1-0
3Q LANCASTER CITY A 0-0
3Qr LANCASTER CITY H 2-0
4Q MORECAMBE A 2-3
1980-81 1Q STALYBRIDGE CELTIC H 1-1
1Qr STALYBRIDGE CELTIC A 1-2
1981-82 1Q SOUTHPORT H 1-0
2Q NETHERFIELD A 1-1
2Qr NETHERFIELD H 3-1
3Q PENRITH A 2-3
1982-83 PRE BOOTLE A 0-3
1983-84 PRE PRESTWICH HEYS H 1-2
1984-85 PRE NANTWICH TOWN A 0-0
PREr NANTWICH TOWN H 2-0
1Q FLEETWOOD TOWN H 4-0
2Q DENABY UNITED H 0-0
2Qr DENABY UNITED A 0-2
1985-86 1Q ACCRINGTON STANLEY A 1-4
1986-87 PRE FORMBY A 1-1
PREr FORMBY H 3-1
1Q WINSFORD UNITED A 0-2
1987-88 PRE BELPER TOWN H 4-2
1Q NORTH FERRIBY UNITED A 3-2
2Q NORTHWICH VICTORIA A 1-2
1988-89 PRE PETERLEE NEWTOWN A 2-1
1Q HORWICH R M I A 3-3
1Qr HORWICH R M I H 1-2
1989-90 PRE BLACKPOOL WREN ROVERS H 3-2
1Q FLEETWOOD TOWN H 0-0
1Qr FLEETWOOD TOWN A 1-1
1Qr2 FLEETWOOD TOWN A 1-0
2Q CURZON ASHTON H 0-1
1990-91 1Q STALYBRIDGE CELTIC H 1-1
1Qr STALYBRIDGE CELTIC A 2-1
2Q LEICESTER UNITED A 0-0
2Qr LEICESTER UNITED H 2-2
2Qr2 LEICESTER UNITED A 3-4
1991-92 1Q HARWORTH COLLIERY INSTITUTE A 1-0
2Q BOOTLE H 1-1
2Qr BOOTLE A 3-1
3Q WINSFORD UNITED A 2-3
1992-93 1Q BLAKENALL A 3-4
1993-94 1Q BRIGG TOWN H 1-1
1Qr BRIGG TOWN A 1-0
2Q WORKSOP TOWN H 1-1
2Qr WORKSOP TOWN A 0-3
1994-95 1Q LINCOLN UNITED H 0-3
1995-96 1Q NANTWICH TOWN A 0-3
1996-97 PRE STOCKSBRIDGE PARK STEELS H 1-5
1997-98 PRE CHEADLE TOWN H 4-1
1Q HALIFAX TOWN A 1-4
1998-99 1Q MALTBY MAIN H 2-2
1Qr MALTBY MAIN A 2-0
2Q ST HELENS TOWN H 6-0
3Q NORTHWICH VICTORIA H 2-0
4Q LEIGH R M I H 1-2
1999-00 2Q BRADFORD PARK AVENUE A 2-2
2Qr BRADFORD PARK AVENUE H 2-1
3Q GAINSBOROUGH TRINITY H 2-2
3Qr GAINSBOROUGH TRINITY A 2-1
4Q EASTWOOD TOWN H 0-2
2000-01 2Q BARROW A 0-3
2001-02 2Q BRADFORD PARK AVENUE A 2-3
2002-03 2Q FARSLEY CELTIC{1} H 4-3
3Q SPENNYMOOR UNITED H 0-0
3Qr SPENNYMOOR UNITED A 2-3
2003-04 2Q BURSCOUGH H 2-2
2Qr BURSCOUGH A 2-1
3Q GAINSBOROUGH TRINITY H 0-2
2004-05 2Q ASHINGTON A 3-1
3Q WORKSOP TOWN A 2-3
2005-06 2Q BURSCOUGH H 1-2
2006-07 2Q WORKSOP TOWN H 2-0
3Q SKELMERSDALE UNITED H 3-2
4Q KIDDERMINSTER HARRIERS A 1-5
2007-08 4Q CORBY TOWN A 2-1
1 HARROGATE RAILWAY ATHLETIC A 0-2
2008-09 2Q BRADFORD PARK AVENUE H 2-1
3Q GATESHEAD H 3-2
4Q BELPER TOWN H 0-0
4Qr BELPER TOWN A 2-1
1 DARLINGTON A 0-0
1r DARLINGTON H 1-0
2 CHESTERFIELD A 2-2
2r CHESTERFIELD H 2-1 Droylsden played ineligible player, awarded to Chesterfield
2009-10 2Q F C HALIFAX TOWN H 0-2
2010-11 2Q HYDE A 0-0
2Qr HYDE H 3-1
3Q ASHINGTON A 4-1
4Q BARWELL H 3-0
1 HAVANT & WATERLOOVILLE A 2-0
2 LEYTON ORIENT H 1-1
2r LEYTON ORIENT A 2-8
2011-12 2Q WORKINGTON A 2-1
3Q STOCKSBRIDGE PARK STEELS H 4-1
4Q BLYTH SPARTANS H 0-0
4Qr BLYTH SPARTANS A 1-2
2012-13 2Q WHITBY TOWN A 3-4
2013-14 1Q TRAFFORD H 1-5
2014-15 PRE RUNCORN LINNETS H 4-0
1Q OSSETT ALBION A 4-0
2Q GUISELEY H 0-1
2015-16 PRE BARTON TOWN OLD BOYS A 2-1
1Q OSSETT ALBION H 2-1
2Q LANCASTER CITY H 2-0
3Q GAINSBOROUGH TRINITY H 3-4
2016-17 PRE RADCLIFFE BOROUGH H 4-4
PREr RADCLIFFE BOROUGH A 1-2
2017-18 PRE OSSETT ALBION A 4-3
1Q COLWYN BAY H 4-3
2Q LANCASTER CITY A 0-4
2018-19 PRE SQUIRES GATE H 4-4
PREr SQUIRES GATE A 0-1
2019-20 PRE LIVERSEDGE A 0-1
2020-21 PRE LITHERLAND R E M Y C A H SCR
F.A. TROPHY
1969-70 1Q PORTMADOC A 1-1
1Qr PORTMADOC H 1-2
1970-71 1Q STOCKTON H 2-2
1Qr STOCKTON A 0-2
1971-72 1Q HYDE UNITED H 4-1
2Q WITTON ALBION H 0-3
1972-73 1Q ASHTON UNITED H 1-2
1973-74 1Q CLITHEROE H 2-2
1Qr CLITHEROE A 4-0
2Q ST HELENS TOWN H 4-3
3Q STALYBRIDGE CELTIC A 0-1
1974-75 PRE STALYBRIDGE CELTIC A 2-0
1Q OSSETT ALBION A 2-1
2Q HYDE UNITED H 0-3
1975-76 PRE RETFORD TOWN H 0-2
1976-77 1Q WORKSOP TOWN H 3-0
2Q EVENWOOD TOWN A 3-1
3Q FRICKLEY ATHLETIC A 0-3
1977-78 1Q NELSON H 5-1
2Q HORWICH R M I A 0-2
1978-79 1Q MEXBOROUGH TOWN A 2-1
2Q ACCRINGTON STANLEY H 0-1
1979-80 1Q SHILDON H 2-0
2Q ACCRINGTON STANLEY A 2-2
2Qr ACCRINGTON STANLEY H 2-1
3Q MEXBOROUGH TOWN ATHLETIC A 0-1
1980-81 1Q GOOLE TOWN{1} H 1-3
1981-82 1Q WORKINGTON A 1-3
1982-83 1Q ASHTON UNITED A 0-0
1Qr ASHTON UNITED H 1-1
1Qr2 ASHTON UNITED H 1-5
1990-91 1Q WINSFORD UNITED A 4-1
2Q MATLOCK TOWN H 3-3
2Qr MATLOCK TOWN A 2-0
3Q BROMSGROVE ROVERS H 3-3
3Qr BROMSGROVE ROVERS A 3-1
1 FLEETWOOD TOWN H 2-1
2 NORTHWICH VICTORIA A 1-4
1991-92 2Q WINSFORD UNITED H 1-1
2Qr WINSFORD UNITED A 3-1
3Q BILLINGHAM SYNTHONIA A 1-4
1992-93 1Q WINSFORD UNITED H 0-2
1993-94 1Q SOLIHULL BOROUGH H 2-0
2Q GRANTHAM TOWN A 2-3
1994-95 1Q FARSLEY CELTIC{1} A 1-1
1Qr FARSLEY CELTIC{1} H 6-3
2Q HEBBURN H 2-2
2Qr HEBBURN A 4-0
3Q LEEK TOWN H 0-1
1995-96 1Q MATLOCK TOWN H 0-3
1996-97 1Q LEIGH R M I H 1-1
1Qr LEIGH R M I A 3-1
2Q LANCASTER CITY A 0-2
1997-98 1Q BELPER TOWN A 2-2
1Qr BELPER TOWN H 2-3
1998-99 2 ALFRETON TOWN A 2-1
3 TELFORD UNITED H 2-3
1999-00 2 FRICKLEY ATHLETIC A 3-4
2000-01 1 BROMSGROVE ROVERS H 0-0
1r BROMSGROVE ROVERS A 0-1
2001-02 1 FRICKLEY ATHLETIC H 1-1
1r FRICKLEY ATHLETIC A 1-1 Frickley Athletic won 4-3 on penalties
2002-03 1 ASHTON UNITED H 2-1
2 COLWYN BAY H 1-2
2003-04 2 WORKSOP TOWN A 0-1
2004-05 1 LEEK TOWN H 1-0
2 SPENNYMOOR UNITED H 2-4
2005-06 3Q GRANTHAM TOWN H 4-0
1 STALYBRIDGE CELTIC A 0-1
2006-07 3Q RUSHALL OLYMPIC H 3-0
1 SOUTHPORT A 0-1
2007-08 1 REDDITCH UNITED H 2-1
2 CAMBRIDGE CITY H 1-0
3 CRAWLEY TOWN A 0-8
2008-09 3Q FARSLEY CELTIC{1} A 0-2
2009-10 3Q FARSLEY CELTIC{1} A 2-5
2010-11 3Q STOURBRIDGE H 3-2
1 HINCKLEY UNITED H 4-3
2 EBBSFLEET UNITED H 1-0
3 BLYTH SPARTANS A 2-2
3r BLYTH SPARTANS H 0-4
2011-12 3Q WITTON ALBION H 2-1
1 MANSFIELD TOWN H 2-1
2 KIDDERMINSTER HARRIERS A 1-5
2012-13 3Q RUSHALL OLYMPIC H 1-2
2013-14 1Q NANTWICH TOWN H 0-3
2014-15 PRE CLITHEROE A 2-3
2015-16 PRE RADCLIFFE BOROUGH A 1-2
2016-17 PRE LANCASTER CITY A 1-1
PREr LANCASTER CITY H 1-3
2017-18 PRE OSSETT ALBION A 1-1
PREr OSSETT ALBION H 1-1 Droylsden won 4-2 on penalties
1Q OSSETT TOWN A 3-1
2Q STAMFORD A 2-1
3Q A F C TELFORD UNITED A 2-4
2018-19 EP WIDNES H 2-1
PRE TADCASTER ALBION H 1-1
PREr TADCASTER ALBION A 2-0
1Q PICKERING TOWN A 2-2
1Qr PICKERING TOWN H 2-3
2019-20 PRE WORKINGTON H 1-1
PREr WORKINGTON A 1-3
2020-21 2Q GLOSSOP NORTH END H SCR
F.A. VASE
1984-85 PRE GARFORTH MINERS H 2-2
PREr GARFORTH MINERS A 1-2
1985-86 PRE PILKINGTON RECREATION (DONCASTER) A 2-1
1 SHEFFIELD H 0-3
1986-87 PRE OLDHAM TOWN H 4-1
1 ELLESMERE PORT & NESTON H 1-0
2 LINCOLN UNITED H 4-1
3 ROSSENDALE UNITED A 3-4
1987-88 PRE EASTWOOD HANLEY A 1-2
1988-89 PRE PRESCOT CABLES H 2-1
1 SALFORD H 1-1
1r SALFORD A 2-1
2 BRIGG TOWN A 1-4
1989-90 PRE BLACKPOOL MECHANICS A 6-0
1 CLITHEROE H 5-0
2 SUTTON TOWN [ASHFIELD] H 4-0
3 ROSSENDALE UNITED H 3-3 Droylsden fielded an ineligible player - tie awarded to Rossendale United
2023-24 1Q WAKEFIELD H 4-1
2Q RETFORD A 1-1 Droylsden won 5-3 on penalties
1 STOCKPORT GEORGIANS A 0-3
2024-25 1Q BURSCOUGH A 1-2
2025-26 2Q NOSTELL MINERS WELFARE A 4-0
1 PENISTONE CHURCH A 2-1
2 NORTHWICH VICTORIA H 4-2
3 FULWOOD AMATEURS H
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